Hate for Moffat - Unnecessary?

[TheDoctor88]

I don't mind recaps.

[KarenGillanFan]

How many times does it need to be said that Amy's child, Melody, is not a Time Lord? She is half-human, half-TARDIS. She is the child of the TARDIS because she carries genetic information passed on when travelling in the vortex at conception. The only way she could possibly be half-human, half-TARDIS is if a) the Doctor had sexual intercourse with Amy or b) if Rory is a Time Lord (that'd be a story and a half). Although there is a flaw in the logic that if a) the TARDIS genes can be passed on whilst Amy and Rory have intercourse, how can the Time Lord genes not be passed on, but that would probably involve Artron energy being around, or regeneration energy, and unless Amy and Rory were having intercourse on Lake Silencio when the Doctor was shot by the Astronaut, she is still half-human, half-TARDIS. No other two ways about it.

I do have to admit, Moffat claims that his Christmas specials are fantastic and magical, and excellent, yet he delivers so little. Every year in DWM he always makes a posh, grand statement saying "Christmas is the best time for the Doctor! He was made for this time of year!" So, I get myself all prepared for the event, hoping it's going to live up to my expectations, and when it does come, it starts off well by introducing us to characters but by the end of it we are left asking ourselves simultaneous questions wondering more about the characters, wondering more about the storyline, wondering more about what the Doctor actually did in the end to help, and wondering if indeed it actually made good audience anticipation and pleasure-of-viewing, because in my eyes, A Christmas Carol and The Doctor, The Widow & The Wardrobe could've been so much better than they already are given Moffat spends more time thinking of a) character development and b) a flawless storyline. Obviously, every script has its faults, but Moffat needs to work on being able to deliver what audiences want and need. He admits to us that he is not very good at killing people off, and I agree with him because in Silence in the Library/Forest of the Dead, he "saved" people, and that was ridiculous. Okay, we got the fairy-tale, happy-ever-after typical storyline, but he didn't actually kill them. We were under the impression that they had been killed, and that was very chilling, but then he goes and drops a stinker on us by revealing that CAL had saved them. So, when Amy and Rory leave this year, I'm not holding out for anything big. I'll wait and see how they leave, and I'll take it with only the slightest pinch of salt, because you never know what filthy rotten tricks Moffat has up his sleeve.

I've acted in a very defensive way towards Moffat as of late, because I do genuinely like most of his work, but to me, personally, he comes across as such a secretive, ludicrous person and his attitudes towards the show are just disgusting. He does not take the correct approach to being a Head Writer, or at least the approach that most have affirmated themselves with having had a good leadership from RTD back in the day. I must say, all week I have been re-watching RTD's era, starting with Series 3 on Sunday and Monday - and today I shall be delving into Series 2, and I must say I am falling in love with them as if they are new series' completely, because I have not watched them for so long and it is now that I realize they are classic Doctor Who episodes, and always will be. They are belters, not to be forgotten. BUT... Still in linking with Moffat's era, not going off track, I do believe that Series 5 and 6 were/are better than RTD's era episodes. I have to admit, RTD's Christmas specials are MUCH better than Moffat's Christmas specials, but Series 5 and 6 have been much more suiting to me than RTD's episodes. Does everyone remember when Moffat took a scadge on the radio and went off his head because people on the internet were revealing spoilers about the show that he didn't want anybody knowing about? Well, that is partly his fault, truth be told. If he doesn't want anybody knowing about the show and what is upcoming in future episodes, then he needs to take a firmer role as Head Writer and put down certain laws to the producers, etc and have a policy about them not leaking information else that is what is going to happen - fan speculation on the internet. For him to make a rough, un-thought-about statement on the radio like that, I thought was bang out of order. We could all turn that back around at him and say "Are you a fan?!", because if he is disallowing Doctor Who fans to discuss what they so passionately love, he is being one twisted dick!

And I believe it's because of Moffat using Amy and River as nothing but story crutches. Matt has ZERO chemistry with Amy and the creep, ick factor between he and Alex Kingston is enough to totally turn me off forever.

I have to completely disagree with you here. The mutual bond between Karen and Matt on-screen is fantastic, and is always written well, be-it Moffat, Gatiss, Whithouse, Chibnall, etc - and I think all of the writers write them excellently together as a partnership because they are both such young actors and have a chemistry understanding and know what it is like, so use their firm grasp, but in some ways they may still have to get that across to older audiences, and that can only be understood because they are young, young people will like the chemistry (ship it, or whatever), but the older generation will have to take much longer to realize that they are good actors, but maybe the chemistry isn't suiting to the generation "feel". I agree with you in the way that Matt and Alex's chemistry is appalling to watch. I am sick of hearing "Spoilers!" or "Now there's a spoiler for you!" - or anything related to spoilers at all. River's character would be good if she didn't keep repeating that bloody phrase, and if from now on she didn't keep popping up so often as she has been, because I agree with a lot of people when I say this, it has demolished her character slightly, and has set us into a distance with her, identifying the mystery as a whole leaving Moffat to conjure a new plot to give her that extra WOW factor.
Using Amy and River as story clutches, I also have to agree with. As much as I adore Karen/Amy, she is only being used to create a fantastic plot. I mean, she really has been the highlight of Moffat's era. Let's think: Child with a crack in her wall; the girl who waited for the Doctor; the girl who saved Starship UK; the girl who saved the Doctor's TARDIS key; the girl who was trapped/stolen by the Weeping Angels; the girl who had to go into the Calvierri house to see what was going on; the girl who killed herself in a dream world to re-enter the real world; the girl who was nearly killed by Silurians; the girl who Vincent Van Gogh fell in love with; the girl who gut stuck on the TARDIS whilst the Doctor and Craig had some terrible banter; the girl whose books and photographs were stolen and made into an elaborate plan to trick and trap the Doctor in a Pandorica, the seal of the Universe that would prevent the cracks in time; the girl who got married - whilst she was still travelling in the TARDIS; the girl who got pregnant, but forgot; the girl who shot the Astronaut; the girl who got abducted by the Silence and taken onto their ship; the girl who fought a Pirate; the girl who could see Madame Kovarian through hatches; the girl who got trapped in the TARDIS corridors; the girl who had to go through endless suffering and pain by seeing her husband die continuously; the girl who was made into a Flesh avatar; the girl who gave birth to River Song; the girl who found out River Song was her daughter, Melody Pond; the girl who grew up with her daughter, Mels; the girl who got trapped in a giant dolls' house; the girl who got turned into a doll; the girl who broke through time to save her husband; the girl who left the Doctor at the end of a terrifying tenure in a space-Hotel; the girl who became famous with her own perfume brand, Petracor; the girl who remembered two versions of the Doctor's killing; the girl who remembered the Doctor; the girl who helped set up an army to defend the world from the Silence; the girl who killed Madame Kovarian; the girl... well, I think you know where this is going!

So, that's my part - and that's the final biggie I shall be writing for this thread!

[DVD]

Sorry to be a pain, but the whole half human half anything is absolute and utter garbage to compensate for a story arc that a bad writer couldn't get himself out of.
Rory and Amy are human. The TARDIS is a machine. The child is the union of Rory and Amy, ergo - it's human. No regenerative powers what so ever. I'd bet that Moff was working it in that the baby was in fact the Doctor's, (hence half / half0 but the BBC would not allow him to have the Doctor and a married woman... That kind of messed up his plans, so he develops some piece of garbage about the TARDIS passing on genetic material... I know it's sci-fi, but he takes it to the ridiculous with that kind of junk as an excuse.

Sorry, but it doesn't work for me at all.

[TV21_Dalek]

Thank you DVD... a voice of sanity at last!

[KarenGillanFan]

Sorry to be a pain, but the whole half human half anything is absolute and utter garbage to compensate for a story arc that a bad writer couldn't get himself out of.
Rory and Amy are human. The TARDIS is a machine. The child is the union of Rory and Amy, ergo - it's human. No regenerative powers what so ever. I'd bet that Moff was working it in that the baby was in fact the Doctor's, (hence half / half0 but the BBC would not allow him to have the Doctor and a married woman... That kind of messed up his plans, so he develops some piece of garbage about the TARDIS passing on genetic material... I know it's sci-fi, but he takes it to the ridiculous with that kind of junk as an excuse.

Sorry, but it doesn't work for me at all.

Given Moffat's sick-minded nature, I'd say you are correct. BUT... River is, in the end, carrying genetic information from the TARDIS because materials were passed on during conception, and that is the end of it. It's not too hard to believe. I myself find it a terrible excuse for an arc, but when added together, it's not all that bad.

[DVD]

I just felt, that the writers were insulting not just my inteligence, but their entire audiences.
Moff was trying to pull the big reveal, like the US shows do from time to time, but he dropped the ball, by suggesting that genetic material from the TARDIS ... well, lets say that some will buy into it.

Almost as bad bad as Bobby coming out the shower!!!!

[KarenGillanFan]

I just felt, that the writers were insulting not just my inteligence, but their entire audiences.
Moff was trying to pull the big reveal, like the US shows do from time to time, but he dropped the ball, by suggesting that genetic material from the TARDIS ... well, lets say that some will buy into it.

Almost as bad bad as Bobby coming out the shower!!!!

What was wrong with the reveal of River being Melody though is that Moffat, by the time he had revealed it, I don't think he had fully scripted latter episodes of the Autumn series, and it was appallingly set up. The whole of River regenerating in Let's Kill Hitler was terrible. She had already finished regenerating, yet when the guards shoot her, she is somewhat inferior because she is apparently still regenerating, and whips out the regeneration energy?

[DVD]

Yup - but that's what we have to accept from his un-thought out arcs, and badly staged scenarios.
I think that he has some solid ideas at times, but their development and eventual presentation is embarassing at times.
That said, there are still lots going for the show, otherwise I wouldn't stick by it. Then again football supporters stick by their teams when the going gets tough as well, waiting for the turn around when things get really good again.

I'd like to know why the other two execs walked after one year with Moff.....

[KarenGillanFan]

Yup - but that's what we have to accept from his un-thought out arcs, and badly staged scenarios.
I think that he has some solid ideas at times, but their development and eventual presentation is embarassing at times.
That said, there are still lots going for the show, otherwise I wouldn't stick by it. Then again football supporters stick by their teams when the going gets tough as well, waiting for the turn around when things get really good again.

I'd like to know why the other two execs walked after one year with Moff.....

100% agreed.

Wenger left because he was offered a role at Film4, as an Exec., and he accepted the job. He didn't leave on Moff's part, although that could be debatable. Willis left on her own accord, and Skinner is Willis' subtle replacement.

[TV21_Dalek]

What genetic material was passed during intercourse came from Rory. The TARDIS did not co-inseminate Amy at the same time.
It's nonsense... and as DVD said, insulting to the intelligence.