Hate for Moffat - Unnecessary?

[DVD]

I'd reverse that. I liked Blink a lot. Great story. The library story was good, and the idea about meeting, for the first time, spmeone who knows him well from his own future, was a very good concept. So I held out some hope for his work. The 11th Hour is the only episode that works for me from him. Even that has too much stupidity in it, but I allow for some comedic stuff, but he carries a joke on too long till he kills it. After 11th hour there were too mant problems with the structuring of his stories, like he didn't know how do it. It is possible that he does, and the demands of being the show runner are too much for him. He no longer just has to write, but commision others, carry a story over 12 - 13 episodes, find directors, lighting people, deal with marketing... etc. Not really a one man job, and a job that needs a really strong character. He just isn't the guy for the job.

[van Statten]

I'd reverse that. I liked Blink a lot. Great story. The library story was good, and the idea about meeting, for the first time, spmeone who knows him well from his own future, was a very good concept. So I held out some hope for his work. The 11th Hour is the only episode that works for me from him. Even that has too much stupidity in it, but I allow for some comedic stuff, but he carries a joke on too long till he kills it. After 11th hour there were too mant problems with the structuring of his stories, like he didn't know how do it. It is possible that he does, and the demands of being the show runner are too much for him. He no longer just has to write, but commision others, carry a story over 12 - 13 episodes, find directors, lighting people, deal with marketing... etc. Not really a one man job, and a job that needs a really strong character. He just isn't the guy for the job.

Yeah the Angels were scary in Blink... what they did with them in that two parter is just ridiculous

[Doctor Detroit]

I'd reverse that. I liked Blink a lot. Great story. The library story was good, and the idea about meeting, for the first time, spmeone who knows him well from his own future, was a very good concept. So I held out some hope for his work. The 11th Hour is the only episode that works for me from him. Even that has too much stupidity in it, but I allow for some comedic stuff, but he carries a joke on too long till he kills it. After 11th hour there were too mant problems with the structuring of his stories, like he didn't know how do it. It is possible that he does, and the demands of being the show runner are too much for him. He no longer just has to write, but commision others, carry a story over 12 - 13 episodes, find directors, lighting people, deal with marketing... etc. Not really a one man job, and a job that needs a really strong character. He just isn't the guy for the job.

Yeah the Angels were scary in Blink... what they did with them in that two parter is just ridiculous

What's the betting they will be even worse in series seven?

[van Statten]

I hope not, the picture of them outside the building at night looks nice and creepy as they should be!

[DVD]

Yeah, but I have no confidence that Moff man can bring them back to any semblance of greatness...

[~:shopgirl:~]

So you say you like Moffat's stories? Are you referring to the ones that are outright silly? (ie.. The Lodger) Or maybe you are referring to the ones that are just so preachy and so much a downer that they make me roll my eyes? (ie.. The Beast Below). Or perhaps you're referring to the episodes that offer tantalizing teases at greatness or coolness only to fall horribly and predictably flat? (ie.. The God Complex)

I've yet to watch an episode that's left me excited or looking forward to the next. The only episode out of all of the show since Moffat's taking over that was anywhere close to WELL done was Vincent and the Doctor. That story was well done beginning and end. It was moving and it was in its way, beautiful. Strangely enough despite him having creative control Moffat didn't ruin that. But where his lack of vision, comprehension, and production talent becomes painfully clear is when he tries for these complex arching plotlines that by the time they're resolved NO one cares. How long were we teased and tantalized about "Who is River Song?" And by the time we found out you know what? I didn't care one BIT! In fact once I did find out I was fit to be tied because of the stupidity of what he'd written and made happen. When someone begins to rely on the same old same old to get him by year in and year out it becomes stale! Hell that's why RTD left! He knew that things were beginning to repeat themselves. And rather than keep right on with the usual he stepped aside. Why can't Moffat give the Angels a break? Why can't he put River in the closet for awhile and try really hard to write stories that don't have her popping up every five minutes?

I'm ready for something new.. I'm ready for things to change! I'm ready to dump Amy and all her baggage and her nasty looks of longing at the Doctor. I'm ready to get rid of all the unnecessary flirting between River and The Doctor. And I'm tired of Moffat throwing out the whole basis of what Doctor Who is just to fit his warped, supposed fandom sense of entitlement he's got as far as the production goes. If he cared about the show, I mean REALLY cared, he would give us better material than this. And he sure as hell wouldn't give us day-glo Power Ranger Daleks!!!!

[Melkur]

Yeah the Angels were scary in Blink... what they did with them in that two parter is just ridiculous

It's why i felt a bit short-changed by the two parter, it's not that i really liked Blink that much as i'm not a fan of Doctor-lite stories but i can see why people really liked it and still continue to think it's one of the best new series episodes. If the "live to death" aspect is returned, i think Angels in New York will be alright....hopefully

[MrFusion]

When I'm showrunner I'm going to make 'Angels in Los Angeles'*.

*© 2012 MrFusion.

[Melkur]

When I'm showrunner I'm going to make 'Angels in Los Angeles'*.

*© 2012 MrFusion.

And when i'm showrunner i'm going to makes 'Angels in Bangkok'....seeing as the real name for the city is Krung Thep which means "City of Angels" too

.....yeah not as good as yours, and maybe not suitable for family viewing either.

.......back to the drawing board

.....i'll get my coat

....

[KarenGillanFan]

So you say you like Moffat's stories? Are you referring to the ones that are outright silly? (ie.. The Lodger) Or maybe you are referring to the ones that are just so preachy and so much a downer that they make me roll my eyes? (ie.. The Beast Below). Or perhaps you're referring to the episodes that offer tantalizing teases at greatness or coolness only to fall horribly and predictably flat? (ie.. The God Complex)

They are not all the work of Moffat though, so please do not try to criticize him on the part of anybody else. It isn't his fault if somebody else's story doesn't make you feel the way you want to about it, or if it doesn't leave you desperately waiting for the next episode, whatever it may be.

The Lodger = Gareth Roberts. Get rid of James Corden and it may have been a good story. That was no fault of Moffat - Casting Manager and Gareth Roberts.

The Beast Below = Moffat. Fantastic episode, although the promised action was very tame. Sophie Okonedo made up for that, though.

The God Complex = Toby Whithouse. Although a very close worker with Moffat, it's not Moffat's fault TGC was a spanner in the works gone wrong.

Everyone blames Moffat for the faults in this era, nearly 99% of the time, but in fact some people need to pay closer attention to the true, specifics and actually identify who may be behind the faults. Yes, some may not like Moffat's episodes, but at the same time, the others that are disliked are not down to Moffat, and flaws in continuity are sometimes not always down to Moffat, but to other writers.