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Re: Controversial Opinions

Posted: Thu Jul 18, 2019 10:11 pm
by Spannerintheworks
I guess that's my controversial opinion:

The novels are all apocryphal/don't count. I take Big Finish as canon, and the spinoffs.

Bonus controversy: "Rosa" would've been better without any half-ass future villain. The best drama and conflict arise from the TARDIS crew realizing they have to let history happen and their reckoning with just plain discrimination. This is one S11 story that didn't need a "villain"/sci-fi additive. The conflict and drama were there already.

Re: Controversial Opinions

Posted: Thu Jul 18, 2019 10:17 pm
by Deborah J
Spannerintheworks wrote:
Thu Jul 18, 2019 10:11 pm
Bonus controversy: "Rosa" would've been better without any half-ass future villain. The best drama and conflict arise from the TARDIS crew realizing they have to let history happen and their reckoning with just plain discrimination. This is one S11 story that didn't need a "villain"/sci-fi additive. The conflict and drama were there already.
I do agree with that in principle, but they would need to restructure it a bit to give the doctor and co a reason to stick around, like the situation of them having to be passively involved with events on the bus was very powerful, but they were only there because otherwise there wouldn't be enough people on the bus, without spaceracist that wouldn't be the case, o, like, they'd need to make a few changes to allow for his absenhse, he's very much a plot device character. Historicals with no aliens do work, though, so I have no doubt it would be possible.

Re: Controversial Opinions

Posted: Thu Jul 18, 2019 11:07 pm
by Valeyard
skifflebits wrote:
Thu Jul 18, 2019 8:19 pm
Deborah J wrote:
Thu Jul 18, 2019 5:01 pm
skifflebits wrote:
Thu Jul 18, 2019 4:59 pm
Controversial opinion: "The Brain of Morbius" is canon, and all of those faces before Hartnell's really were past incarnations of the Doctor.
Oh no, I had an argument with a friend of mine about this recently, I'm not having that, if you want your morbius doctors canon you can do it outside.
Hey, who's to say he didn't have a whole set of regenerations before he "started over at one" with Hartnell?

I mean, if Big Finish is canon, anything is possible. ;)
Big Finish isn’t canon.

Re: Controversial Opinions

Posted: Thu Jul 18, 2019 11:25 pm
by SJF
Valeyard wrote:
Thu Jul 18, 2019 11:07 pm
skifflebits wrote:
Thu Jul 18, 2019 8:19 pm
Deborah J wrote:
Thu Jul 18, 2019 5:01 pm


Oh no, I had an argument with a friend of mine about this recently, I'm not having that, if you want your morbius doctors canon you can do it outside.
Hey, who's to say he didn't have a whole set of regenerations before he "started over at one" with Hartnell?

I mean, if Big Finish is canon, anything is possible. ;)
Big Finish isn’t canon.
Only in the sense that Doctor Who doesn’t have a canon.

Re: Controversial Opinions

Posted: Thu Jul 18, 2019 11:47 pm
by skifflebits
SJF wrote:
Thu Jul 18, 2019 11:25 pm
Valeyard wrote:
Thu Jul 18, 2019 11:07 pm
skifflebits wrote:
Thu Jul 18, 2019 8:19 pm


Hey, who's to say he didn't have a whole set of regenerations before he "started over at one" with Hartnell?

I mean, if Big Finish is canon, anything is possible. ;)
Big Finish isn’t canon.
Only in the sense that Doctor Who doesn’t have a canon.
And in the sense that it isn't canon.

:)

Re: Controversial Opinions

Posted: Thu Jul 18, 2019 11:49 pm
by SJF
skifflebits wrote:
Thu Jul 18, 2019 11:47 pm
SJF wrote:
Thu Jul 18, 2019 11:25 pm
Valeyard wrote:
Thu Jul 18, 2019 11:07 pm


Big Finish isn’t canon.
Only in the sense that Doctor Who doesn’t have a canon.
And in the sense that it isn't canon.

:)
Well of course! One cannot be canon if there is no canon of which to be apart of!

;)

Re: Controversial Opinions

Posted: Fri Jul 19, 2019 1:28 am
by Valeyard
SJF, we established long ago that anything good isn’t canon and anything awful is canon. Because Big Finish is god tier, it’s not canon.

Re: Controversial Opinions

Posted: Fri Jul 19, 2019 1:30 am
by SJF
Valeyard wrote:
Fri Jul 19, 2019 1:28 am
SJF, we established long ago that anything good isn’t canon and anything awful is canon. Because Big Finish is god tier, it’s not canon.

Love and Monsters - not canon

Hell Bent - canon

Re: Controversial Opinions

Posted: Fri Jul 19, 2019 2:45 am
by Valeyard
SJF wrote:
Fri Jul 19, 2019 1:30 am
Valeyard wrote:
Fri Jul 19, 2019 1:28 am
SJF, we established long ago that anything good isn’t canon and anything awful is canon. Because Big Finish is god tier, it’s not canon.

Love and Monsters - not canon

Hell Bent - canon
Love and Monsters is an exception, that is very much canon as it is god tier and is the holy grail of TV.

Re: Controversial Opinions

Posted: Fri Jul 19, 2019 8:01 am
by TheSparrow
Valeyard wrote:
Fri Jul 19, 2019 2:45 am
SJF wrote:
Fri Jul 19, 2019 1:30 am
Valeyard wrote:
Fri Jul 19, 2019 1:28 am
SJF, we established long ago that anything good isn’t canon and anything awful is canon. Because Big Finish is god tier, it’s not canon.

Love and Monsters - not canon

Hell Bent - canon
Love and Monsters is an exception, that is very much canon as it is god tier and is the holy grail of TV.
Dimensions in Time is canon