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Re: Controversial Opinions!

Postby Whovastron » Sun Feb 10, 2019 8:51 am

Let me just reiterate, the when I say I disliked bill as a companion, it wasn’t anything to do with her being gay, I just thought Moffat handled that badly. I just didn’t like her character in general, she was annoying and just was unrealistic as a person, always saying things that don’t make sense and no one should ever say (it’s looks like a kitchen). She, like the rest of series 10, was just all the tropes of moffat’s era on steroids

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Re: Controversial Opinions!

Postby Deborah J » Sun Feb 10, 2019 9:48 am

Whovastron wrote:Let me just reiterate, the when I say I disliked bill as a companion, it wasn’t anything to do with her being gay, I just thought Moffat handled that badly. I just didn’t like her character in general, she was annoying and just was unrealistic as a person, always saying things that don’t make sense and no one should ever say (it’s looks like a kitchen). She, like the rest of series 10, was just all the tropes of moffat’s era on steroids

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Don't worry,TW, we would never assume any bad intentions from you. I do think, though, as a few people have pointed out, the world in general, as it is just now, kind of presumes a very heteronormative viewpoint, and those who fall outside of that do have to disclose that multiple times. Because most times they meet a new person it'll be a case of "assume the default unless told otherwise" and of course your sexuality is not relevant information to everyone you meet, but it's also kind of true of the world at the moment that if you are and attractive young woman (and I would say that Bill was) then you tend to get on the recieving end of flirting, be it light and relatively harmless, or the more persistent obnoxious kind, and in such a situation it is generally necessary to remind that person that they're barking up entirely the wrong tree. And when around friends it's not that unusual to bring up romantic interests you have, since bill is gay those romantic interests are female, and as soon as she brings that up it's a reminder of her being gay. I don't think that's any heavier than any straight characters expressing interest in people of the opposite gender, but again, largely heteronormative society, anything else stands out more, it's white paint on a black carpet, even a tiny drop is really going to show up.

But that's just my view on it, my best friend kind of holds the "yeah, I'm fine with it but if they keep bringing it up it seems like their only character trait" viewpoint, and I can see where that thought comes from, I just don't agree with it.
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Re: Controversial Opinions!

Postby Spannerintheworks » Wed Feb 13, 2019 4:15 pm

Here's a doozy:

UNIT had to get disbanded...to fit with canon.

SO many 2nd Doctor stories (most relevant being "The Enemy of the World"), "Warriors of the Deep", even "Waters of Mars" - these stories imply that an active Doctor-conscious scientific and military body does not exist in the 21st century following 2018, or at least is greatly diminished.

Its removal would allow someone like Salamander (who greatly resembles someone they have on file!) to gain power. Or explain why future leaders wouldn't be clued in by a substantial international force to contact the Doctor, or vet his involvement.

The only occasion UNIT appears to prominently pop up post 2020 is "Under the Lake/Before the Flood" - and it still squares up. "They're from UNIT!!" is said with total surprise, like no one expected them to turn up..or even exist. Knowledge on UNIT/The Doctor shared is less professional and more fan/personal research...not the kind you'd have from incident reports or training. And, really, this event would be right up UNIT's alley 1970-2018...but still, surprise and no expectations of reinforcement. The Doctor gives his ID, but it's to a military body, not necessarily UNIT. Files on him likely still exist, and he gives the credential that would let them bring it up. At best, maybe they exist as an archive capacity - That Black Archive tech needs someone looking after it. Or maybe they've been revived as a minor unit like Torchwood.

Which on that note: Canon kinda requires Torchwood to be a fringe unit (a la "Miracle Day") post-2018 too.

So intentional or not, that's pretty tidy canonwise.

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Re: Controversial Opinions!

Postby Racks42 » Wed Feb 13, 2019 9:51 pm

Spannerintheworks wrote:Here's a doozy:

UNIT had to get disbanded...to fit with canon.

SO many 2nd Doctor stories (most relevant being "The Enemy of the World"), "Warriors of the Deep", even "Waters of Mars" - these stories imply that an active Doctor-conscious scientific and military body does not exist in the 21st century following 2018, or at least is greatly diminished.

Its removal would allow someone like Salamander (who greatly resembles someone they have on file!) to gain power. Or explain why future leaders wouldn't be clued in by a substantial international force to contact the Doctor, or vet his involvement.

The only occasion UNIT appears to prominently pop up post 2020 is "Under the Lake/Before the Flood" - and it still squares up. "They're from UNIT!!" is said with total surprise, like no one expected them to turn up..or even exist. Knowledge on UNIT/The Doctor shared is less professional and more fan/personal research...not the kind you'd have from incident reports or training. And, really, this event would be right up UNIT's alley 1970-2018...but still, surprise and no expectations of reinforcement. The Doctor gives his ID, but it's to a military body, not necessarily UNIT. Files on him likely still exist, and he gives the credential that would let them bring it up. At best, maybe they exist as an archive capacity - That Black Archive tech needs someone looking after it. Or maybe they've been revived as a minor unit like Torchwood.

Which on that note: Canon kinda requires Torchwood to be a fringe unit (a la "Miracle Day") post-2018 too.

So intentional or not, that's pretty tidy canonwise.


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Re: Controversial Opinions!

Postby The Outcast » Thu Feb 14, 2019 2:25 pm

If UNIT gets disbanded, UNISYC needs show up on TV for the sweet, sweet EDA tie in.

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Re: Controversial Opinions!

Postby SarahJaneFan » Sat Feb 16, 2019 12:59 pm

Vienna is canon and Rose the Cat isn’t.

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