How do YOU rank the on-screen Masters? (Again)

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How do YOU rank the on-screen Masters? (Again)

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Yeah, we've done this before, but not in a while. What's your personal ranking of the on-screen Masters. There's no right or wrong here. Just how do you feel?

And let's limit it to the on-screen incarnations only. Most people aren't familiar with MacQueen's or Gatiss' takes on the characters, so...


10. Simm under RTD - It was no fun watching a talented actor rant, rave, and foam at the mouth for no reason. If he asked old question of "what's my motivation here?" RTD must have responded with, "I dunno. You're the Master. You're insane. Go with that."

9. Dhawan - I want to rank him higher because his "in disguise" performance was really quite good, but for me he's still following in Simm's footsteps of "I'm mad! MAD, DO YOU HEAR!" and it's disappointing.

8. Beevers - I dunno. For me he kind of took Pratt's sinister take and somehow came across less like an evil genius and more like a creepy uncle.

7. Roberts - The last time I watched the TVM, I was surprised at how I'd under-rated Roberts on initial viewing. Yeah, he's hamming it up, but he's injecting the whole production with an energy it really needs. And he pulls off the menace in the right places while still having fun with it.

6. Ainley - Maybe I should rank him higher for nostalgia reasons, but for me he's kind of "The Roger Moore of Masters," campy, sure, but reassuringly so. "No, my dear Doctor, you must die. Die, Doctor! DIE, DOCTOR!"

5. Pratt - He wore a plastic mask with ping pong ball eyes, and still he could send shivers up my spine.

4. Jacobi - He'd probably rank higher if he'd had more lines, but man, did he bring the evil, and left a big impression on me in just a few short minutes on screen.

3. Simm under Moff - I was glad to see Simm redeem himself under Moff's reign. He got beyond the wacky "madman" act and found some actual layers in the character. Good on ya, John!

2. Gomez - She brought a perfect combination of genius, malice, and madness, and worked so well opposite Capaldi. Her little "Hello, I'm Doctor Who..." bit at the front of "World Enough and Time" struck a balance that I don't think anyone else could have pulled off.

1. Delgado - The original. He still defines the character for me. "My dear Miss Grant..."


Honorable Mention: Johnathan Pryce. In an interview surrounding Curse of Fatal Death, he said he was trying to figure out the Master's laugh, and he finally got it when he realized it was a victory cry. Gotta take my hat off to that.

Deliberately Not Mentioning: Gordon Tripple. For the same reasons I don't mention Anthony Ainley's stunt double.
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skifflebits wrote:
Thu Jan 14, 2021 7:40 pm
Yeah, we've done this before, but not in a while. What's your personal ranking of the on-screen Masters. There's no right or wrong here. Just how do you feel?

And let's limit it to the on-screen incarnations only. Most people aren't familiar with MacQueen's or Gatiss' takes on the characters, so...


10. Simm under RTD - It was no fun watching a talented actor rant, rave, and foam at the mouth for no reason. If he asked old question of "what's my motivation here?" RTD must have responded with, "I dunno. You're the Master. You're insane. Go with that."

9. Dhawan - I want to rank him higher because his "in disguise" performance was really quite good, but for me he's still following in Simm's footsteps of "I'm mad! MAD, DO YOU HEAR!" and it's disappointing.

8. Beevers - I dunno. For me he kind of took Pratt's sinister take and somehow came across less like an evil genius and more like a creepy uncle.

7. Roberts - The last time I watched the TVM, I was surprised at how I'd under-rated Roberts on initial viewing. Yeah, he's hamming it up, but he's injecting the whole production with an energy it really needs. And he pulls off the menace in the right places while still having fun with it.

6. Ainley - Maybe I should rank him higher for nostalgia reasons, but for me he's kind of "The Roger Moore of Masters," campy, sure, but reassuringly so. "No, my dear Doctor, you must die. Die, Doctor! DIE, DOCTOR!"

5. Pratt - He wore a plastic mask with ping pong ball eyes, and still he could send shivers up my spine.

4. Jacobi - He'd probably rank higher if he'd had more lines, but man, did he bring the evil, and left a big impression on me in just a few short minutes on screen.

3. Simm under Moff - I was glad to see Simm redeem himself under Moff's reign. He got beyond the wacky "madman" act and found some actual layers in the character. Good on ya, John!

2. Gomez - She brought a perfect combination of genius, malice, and madness, and worked so well opposite Capaldi. Her little "Hello, I'm Doctor Who..." bit at the front of "World Enough and Time" struck a balance that I don't think anyone else could have pulled off.

1. Delgado - The original. He still defines the character for me. "My dear Miss Grant..."


Honorable Mention: Johnathan Pryce. In an interview surrounding Curse of Fatal Death, he said he was trying to figure out the Master's laugh, and he finally got it when he realized it was a victory cry. Gotta take my hat off to that.

Deliberately Not Mentioning: Gordon Tripple. For the same reasons I don't mention Anthony Ainley's stunt double.
Our ranking is exactly identical. :)

(Look everybody!!! Agreeing opinions in a Doctor Who forum!! ;) :P )

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The let me bring normality back to to the thread and disagree.....with the decision to score Simm twice. I don’t think that’s in the spirit of ranking the Master’s (despite you having started the thread and thereby its your rules). So rather than go down the route of ranking Ainley 4 times based on the different Doctor era he appeared in, where would you place your *one* Simm entry?
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Simm is number one!
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Bundesrat wrote:
Thu Jan 14, 2021 8:45 pm
The let me bring normality back to to the thread and disagree.....with the decision to score Simm twice. I don’t think that’s in the spirit of ranking the Master’s (despite you having started the thread and thereby its your rules). So rather than go down the route of ranking Ainley 4 times based on the different Doctor era he appeared in, where would you place your *one* Simm entry?
Fair point, I'd split the difference and put him below Ainley overall as one ranking. Noting as I did so he'd be ranked last if not for Series 10.

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Ainley has to be my favourite, I grew up with the guy - I can vividly remember watching Swap Shop when this happened

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RJHfpORY31Q

Back in those days there was no internet, so no source of spoilers of what was to come (bar an occasional Blue Peter feature), so this was wetting yourself levels of excitement.

2 - has to be Delgado.

3 - Beevers/Pratt

4 - Roberts - he caused McCoy to die

5 - Jacobi

6 - the young lad that looked into the Vortex - he was less irritating that any that followed

7 - Gomez

8 - Simm

9 - Dhawan

But you could easily convince me to put 7, 8, 9 in any order as there are negative aspects of each one that far out way the positives.
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Bundesrat wrote:
Thu Jan 14, 2021 8:45 pm
The let me bring normality back to to the thread and disagree.....with the decision to score Simm twice. I don’t think that’s in the spirit of ranking the Master’s (despite you having started the thread and thereby its your rules). So rather than go down the route of ranking Ainley 4 times based on the different Doctor era he appeared in, where would you place your *one* Simm entry?
Well, first, yer one to stake a claim on "normality." :)

But I'd argue that Simm's performances combined with the differences in writing are so different that they warrant two ranks. Could you really have seen RTD's Saxon hiding out in a disguise for ages to unfold a devious plan?

Ainley, on the other hand, was still Ainleying it up even when he was more grounded in "Survival."

I suppose if I had to rank Simm once I'd tie him with Roberts. But since yer not the boss of me, I don't. :D
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skifflebits wrote:
Thu Jan 14, 2021 11:05 pm
But I'd argue that Simm's performances combined with the differences in writing are so different that they warrant two ranks. Could you really have seen RTD's Saxon hiding out in a disguise for ages to unfold a devious plan?
He hid out under a pseudonym of Mr Saxon in the guise of an earthling for quite a while...... If I was to split Simm it would be into 3 parts; the suit, the hoodie and the beard (although I see the beard as more of a combination of the suit and the hoodie - and not always the best bits).

Of course we need to factor in The War Chief too..... ;)



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7. James Dreyfus - Boring and transphobic. We don’t Stan.

6. David Garfield - Not even hear him but not a dick so...

5. Chris Finney - He’s fine for what his role is.

4. Jon Culshaw - His Ainley is actually pretty decent although he’s not done a lot of it. His Delgado is awful tho.

3. Milo Parker - He’s the good boi Master before he did all the murders. And he’s neither James Dreyfus nor a recast. Oh wait no, he is a recast never mind.

2. Sam Kisgart - He’s both very good at playing the Master, and also at keeping his arch nemesis Mark Gatiss’s grubby mitts off of the role. Plus he’s absolutely incorrigible and seduces every woman he meets which is hilarious because it actually works.

1. Alex Macqueen - He’s Neil’s dad so obviously he’s the best.


I only included the canon Masters on this list, that’s why it’s so short.
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SJF wrote:
Fri Jan 15, 2021 10:29 am
7. James Dreyfus - Boring and transphobic. We don’t Stan.

6. David Garfield - Not even hear him but not a dick so...

5. Chris Finney - He’s fine for what his role is.

4. Jon Culshaw - His Ainley is actually pretty decent although he’s not done a lot of it. His Delgado is awful tho.

3. Milo Parker - He’s the good boi Master before he did all the murders. And he’s neither James Dreyfus nor a recast. Oh wait no, he is a recast never mind.

2. Sam Kisgart - He’s both very good at playing the Master, and also at keeping his arch nemesis Mark Gatiss’s grubby mitts off of the role. Plus he’s absolutely incorrigible and seduces every woman he meets which is hilarious because it actually works.

1. Alex Macqueen - He’s Neil’s dad so obviously he’s the best.


I only included the canon Masters on this list, that’s why it’s so short.
No Gatiss? Everything he's in is Doctor Who canon, whether it's in Doctor Who or not.
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